"UFO UNIVERSE: In
reference to Condor's statement about Area 51 in the state of Nevada, what do
you personally feel about this in your studies?
"CLIFFORD STONE: I believe
that the American people has a right to know what is going on...
"UU: Do you feel there's a
war going on perhaps between different types of aliens?
"CS: Yes, I do. I believe
what is presently termed the 'greys' may very well be the (entities) that the
U.S. government has the pact with right now, and they are not necessarily the
'good guys.'
"UU: Do you feel that
these grey guys are evil?
"CS: Well...there are some
things I prefer not to talk about. But I'll tell you this much. First, I
believe that there is a God. And I firmly believe that God made man and all
intelligent life to be a free agent, to choose HIS own validity. Abductions
are REAL. Abductions are taking place. People are being forced to undergo -
partake in various experiments - for whatever reason by our alien visitors.
"UU: What else would give
you the impression that these guys are evil, cut and dry? Is there a case you
can cite?
"CS: O.K., this is
supposition. One gentleman who was doing research into it reported a military
intrusion on an alien base, right here in New Mexico. Well, the military tried
to go in and take over the base (It was mentioned that a similar event took
place in Nevada). Sixty-six servicemen were supposedly killed there. The
aliens had the base, it was an underground base and allegedly the military
sent in some of their elite forces, probably equated to a Delta force, elite,
anti-terrorist force, if you wish.
"UU: How did they find
this base?
"CS: Well, it was part of
the allegedly secret agreement that we would let them have bases, therefore we
knew about the base. There was some type of argument that broke out between
our people and the aliens.
"UU: So there are many
bases throughout the country?
"CS: There are rumors of
many bases. Given that these stories are true, I think that they probably have
12 or fewer bases. The greys may have various, let's say, hideouts. As far as
actual full scale operational bases, there's probably 12 or fewer.
"UU: And where are you
getting your information?
"CS: From, we'll say,
other researchers that wish to remain sort of silent.
"UU: What position are you
in the army at present?
"CS: I'm in an ROTC
assignment.
"UU: How long have you
been in the army?
"CS: Twenty years.
"UU: Your friends who
remain anonymous are within the different services of the government I take
it?
"CS: Well, for example, I
was stationed at an Air Force base and one guy went and came to my home and
identified himself as a fighter pilot and told me about an aircraft that he
was piloting. I believe it was over the Pacific Ocean. Anyhow, it got real
dark all of a sudden. He reported looking up and he and the other crew members
saw what they described as a vehicle that was 3 miles long (Three miles in a
circular expansion). As far as I know it stayed with them for 15 or 20 minutes
and then went straight over the aircraft and got out in front of them and shot
straight up, out of sight.
"UU: Where did you derive
the idea that our government is making deals with aliens? What gave you this
type of notion?
"CS: The Snowbird
document. This document refers to us making primitive contact with the aliens
in 1959. On April 25, 1964, we managed to carry on a 3 hour conversation which
was the onset of the agreement at a base here in New Mexico. I believe that
base was Holloman Air Force Base. The agreement involving an exchange of
technology and our silence. By going ahead and not having any interference
with the aliens, in exchange they gave us the technology and we agreed to keep
quiet about their presence. That right there is sinister in itself.
"UU: How do you mean
sinister in itself?
"CS: We have to go back to
the abductions. For some reason they don't want the people to remember what
happened. Well here you have people who had contact with alien beings, who
have lost everything. They've went ahead and have family problems, they've
lost their jobs, a lot of them have become reclusive, they have mental
problems because they can't cope with what happened to them. They know that
they've had some type of experience, but a lot of the time they would have
nightmares. They can't explain these.
"UU: Because it was
repressed in their subconscious?
"CS: Correct. Maybe by
design, or it may be just because the body's own self-defensive mechanism is
trying to cope with something that is beyond it's comprehension...
"UU: What about the
benevolent beings that are said to exist, who abide by higher laws that do not
allow them to interfere - aren't they trying to help?
"CS: The good guys are,
well, I like to refer to them as being nomadic. What you're talking about,
about the non- intervention with other intelligent life forms is a universal
law. The nomadics go along with that. The greys violated the universal law.
"UU: What else can you say
about the benevolent space beings?
"CS: They have a high
regard for life. I believe, shall we say, 'the good forces,' they don't really
want any interaction with us. They choose to just go ahead and just observe.
"UU: Silent guardians. So
it seems what they're trying to do is balance what the greys imbalanced.
"CS: I would agree with
that...
"UU: When you were
describing that there are approximately 3 different types of hostile aliens
from Zeta Reticuli, would you describe further what you mean by that?
"CS: At present time, I
believe that the government has identified several groups. We break these down
by EBE (extraterrestrial biological entities) type 1,2,3 - I think we are
about up to 7 that have been identified. Well...seven types of space
travelers, or inter-dimensional travelers, if you wish. When I refer to
inter-dimensional travel, I am referring, utilizing the Einsteinian, Rosen,
Bridges for that travel... I'm going to tell you the situation as I understand
now. The greys will eventually come forth and try to state that they created
Christ. This is not the case. They did not create Christ. Christ was and is a
divine entity. He was sent here by the Creator, not the Creator of just the
world, but the universe... I believe that they (the greys) are involved with
the actual cattle mutilations. Now there are some copycats, and the government
tries to get mileage off the copycats, and the government may have even went
ahead and staged some - just to throw off the extraterrestrial connection.
"UU: Can you give more
detail... regarding the greys, the subtleties ahead, and how to avoid any
mishap?
"CS: You mean how to
identify if your working with a good guy or bad guy? For one thing there are
the religious (activities) the bad guys are not happy with. For example, there
was an instance where they tried to pick up a farmer...he started to pray and
they couldn't take him aboard the craft... He kept praying and finally they
gave up trying to abduct him. There was also an incident in Vietnam where a
UFO set down in a field. It terrorized some of the villagers, and there was a
soldier who was out visiting his girlfriend, who would later become his wife.
Anyhow, he got tied up there and the UFO was trying to convince some of the
people they should go. It wanted to take some of the people. The soldier stood
his ground and wouldn't let the entities do it. The M16 that the soldier had
was impervious to the aliens, but the cross that he always wore, and he always
carried a Bible, they had regard for that. Finally, they gave up and decided
not to try to take any of the people...
"UU: What type of
mentality are we dealing with when we're talking about the secret deals made
with ETs?
"CS: Let's go back and
look at what happened as far as our deepening involvement at the onset of the
Vietnam war. Take a look at what happened with the Iran affair. The situation
is that there are elements within our government that sometimes act all on
their own without congressional restraints, which ultimately affects the
entire American population. In this case, it will ultimately have an affect on
the entire population of the world. Up until about 1985, I would not have
believed any of this. As a result of coming into contact with the SNOWBIRD
DOCUMENT, I am left with no recourse but to believe that we have made these
agreements - rightly or wrongly. I believe what is going to eventually happen
is that they will make themselves known and immediately go ahead and try to
destroy society as we know society...
"UU: On the broadcast 'UFO
COVERUP LIVE', they spoke of an exchange program where we sent two of our guys
up into their crafts. This aspect of the exchange program, do you feel any of
this is true?
"CS: It follows accepted
diplomatic procedures.
"UU: What is the purpose
of revealing this information at this time?
"CS: I think it's to try
to prepare the American public for the ultimate disclosure of the existence of
the alien beings. I think there is the effort for the good guys to make
contact with the people within our government, but I think now what is
happening is that the U.S. government learned in 1983 or thereabouts that they
are NOT dealing with the good guys, but really don't know what to do about it.
"UU: So how can they get
out of this? What would your suggestion be?
"CS: Well, my suggestion
would be to stand up to the greys. Let them know that this is a free society,
that we are not going to sit back and let anyone -- be they from outer space
or some other foreign country -- convert the people of the United States.
"UU: You said that the
government didn't know that they were dealing with the bad guys at first. How
would the government figure out that these entities were evil? What would make
them think that? What would make them decide all of a sudden?
"CS: Let us suppose that
we make a deal with a group of aliens. Among other things we agreed that they
can have prearranged bases. We will provide security and we will not
acknowledge their existence to the general public. In return, they're going to
go ahead and carry on certain experimentations, gathering various minerals,
getting various flora, various animal life. They're also going to go ahead and
conduct some experiments or some research on human beings. Now this troubles
us because we don't want that to get out of hand, so we bargain a little
deeper and we come to the agreement that, okay, if you abduct anyone we need
to know who they are so that if there are any problems in the future we can go
ahead and take care of those people who may need medical or psychological
attention, so we can assist with this. They say, fine, we will provide you
with say a list of all abductees. Later, we find out that they are providing
us with maybe a hundred or two hundred abductions maybe every couple of
months, but we discover that the number is really into the thousands. We also
find out that this scientific curiosity is also being used to tag these
people, i.e. the implants, and we are not being told why they are doing this.
Now we no longer have control over the abductions. We might even find that
there might even be a scarier aspect to it -- let's say some of these
abductees appear to be 'sleepers,' there is some type of information that
they're being fed, a post-hypnotic suggestion for lack of a better term. But
don't think that this is hypnotic at all -- it's not. It is a very much
advanced technological process. Anyhow, they are being told at a certain time,
a certain place in the future, they are going to be required to recall things
that they are being told at this time, right toward the end of the
experimentation or whatever is going on. However, alien forces want this to be
kept so secret that if you try to pull this out of them while they're under
hypnosis, it will cause the body functions to become under stress.
"UU: Have there been any
intervention with the benevolent beings in this matter?
"CS: I WOULD SAY THAT WE
KNOW OF SEVERAL, SHOULD WE SAY, INTERGALACTIC FIGHTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE -
DOGFIGHTS.
"UU: An obvious dispute
among aliens themselves? What do you feel was the outcome?
"CS: The good won. Right
now I think that the good are trying to 'build up their forces.' I think the
greys were very concerned about the crash at Roswell, New Mexico, because we
had something that they were identifying as a weapons system -- and that was a
very strong radar tracking system. They lost several ships to that. The aliens
initially, having identified that as a weapons system of ours, adjusted their
craft so that the high powered radar would not cause on-board difficulties.
The greys assisted in keeping the story quiet about the Roswell incident
without -- how can I put this -- 'open contact' with the government at that
time.
"UU: Have you heard of
such a thing as MIB or Men In Black in relation to such incidents as these?
"CS: Yes. There is a well
known newsperson who was involved with the UFO crash here in Roswell in 1947.
He had his life threatened if he tried to go ahead and break the story. He's
maintained silence ever since. He's talked a couple of times, but will never
come out and fully tell the whole story.
"UU: Did any of the
occupants make themselves known to our people at that time?
"CS: Here again, I'd have
to go back to the reporter who was approached by an entity. And I don't think
the entity that he was approached by was of this Earth. It was your classic
MIB saying, 'Look, stay out of this one!' Point blank he was told, 'If you try
to break the story, you'll die.' Around that time we also started to lose jet
aircraft that were sent aloft to intercept UFOs. Most of the time these were
written off as aircraft having malfunctioned that caused their crash. Some of
the aircraft simply vanished without a trace. One incident happened here in
Roswell, probably early 1950s. The family still lives here. Two aircraft were
sent aloft to intercept a UFO and make the identification of the object as
picked up on radar. One plane returned. To this day, one plane and a pilot
never returned.
"UU: Is there any
information in reference to the joint operations that such a govt.-alien
alliance is doing beneath the Earth?
"CS: Supposition (is)
there's a lot of genetic work going on down there. For example, there have
been people who have claimed to have been taken to underground installations
where they observed comatose people in these underground installations. There
are also reports of various vats with human parts. One woman reported seeing
what appeared as a very Earthly male who was in a vat of some type of fluid in
one of the underground installations. Quite a few of the people have alleged
that they have been taken to these underground installations and have been
kept there for days.
"UU: And why were they let
free once they knew of such an installation, let's say, if they're trying to
hush that up?
"CS: The vast majority,
the man on the street isn't going to believe them anyhow. There are
allegations that some are either military or working with the government that
were brought down there.
"UU: Are you saying that
you are not very clear on what goes on down there? You've never met anyone who
had anymore to say on it?
"CS: I'm saying I can't be
very clear.
"UU: In other words, it's
a little too intense to talk about?
"CS: Yes. I have an
interest in UFOs and I've had to recently go through one heck of a battle with
the military to express my first amendment right to voice my dissatisfaction
with the U.S. government keeping this information suppressed. There are
certain things that even as a private citizen that I have to be very careful
about suggesting.
"UU: What part of the
government would have jurisdiction in association with these aliens?
"CS: They would probably
be the National Security Agency, they report directly to the National Security
Council. As a matter of fact, it sets in on the National Security Council.
"UU: Are there people
within this agency that realize that they've gotten into a little mess?
"CS: Yes, I think so. I
think right now those that are in the know are sort of divided as to whether
they should go public or try to keep it secret. The TV show 'UFO COVERUP',
wasn't really well handled. They didn't really know how to go about bringing
out the information that they do have. The situation is that of a programming
process, the government wanted some of that information to be released. That I
feel is a fact. Now they took that program from Washington and they really
wanted to see what the reaction of the American society would be as a whole.
How we would react to it. If the U.S. government ever comes forth and states
-- and eventually I feel within a very few short years, possibly even months
-- they're going to have to do that. They're going to have to come out and say
that UFOs are a reality.
"UU: I heard you were
going to Germany?
"CS: I will be separated
from my family for at least two years as a result of it. They were going to
put me out of the Army because of my interest in UFOs. I want to stay in right
now -- when I get out I want it to be my choice, not because they forced me
out. Are you aware that this is a very, very hard subject matter? I mean it's
so far out in left field I avoid it... but I'll bring it up anyhow. Do you
know that there are reports that some of the alien ships do a harvest of the
souls? In other words, they feed off the living energy, which is in fact the
living soul.
"UU: Have you read Budd
Hopkins' books?
"CS: Yes, I read both Budd
Hopkins' books. Budd is very close to the truth, but the full truth is a
horror story that is beyond any science fiction that you have ever read.
"UU: Are there entities of
the more benevolent sort that are abducting people?
"CS: That's correct. What
they do, I would say, that they have more of a scientific curiosity.
"UU: They have more of a
compassion, you would say?
"CS: Correct. As a matter
of fact, if there was a situation where you had a weapon that could kill them
and they could not escape, other than do you harm, they would permit
themselves to be killed. The situation with the abduction cases, in dealing
with the bad guys, is that they will go ahead and make a person try to recall
the bad times of their lives. Then the people relive those experiences, they
go back to the way they felt when that experience was happening, they bring to
mind the things they fear the most, they bring this out because they actually
absorb something similar to osmosis these feelings that they actually feed off
of.
"UU: So you're saying that
these particular entities that are working in this fashion are the very
entities that our government made these deals with?
"CS: Yes.
"UU: Are the people within
these government installations who are working with these entities
experiencing such traumas, or are they left alone?
"CS: I don't think that
they are experiencing trauma because they need those people as part of the
grand deception. Keep in mind, while they're dealing with them on the physical
plane they're also actually dealing with an interdimensional phenomenon.
"UU: Like an astral
phenomenon?
"CS: Yes...
"UU: ...Do you think that
the government is dealing with two types of aliens?
"CS: I definitely think
that they are dealing with two types of entities, but you've got to keep in
mind one thing -- the good guys are not going to give us anything to kill our
fellow man.
"UU: If you were to see
this in an article, is there something that you would like to say?
"CS: Definitely. 'Shut me
up and shut the other people up that are like me. Go ahead and have an
unbiased congressional investigation into the UFO matter. Give across the
board immunity to any and all service members and civilian government workers
who have any knowledge of crashed retrieval aircraft or underground bases to
let them come talk freely to a congressional committee on UFOs so that they
might talk and clear the air. Get it out that UFOs are a reality. They are
here now, they have underground bases. If they go ahead and grant that
immunity you'll have people come forth and talk. But they will not talk unless
that immunity is granted. Now if I'm wrong -- go ahead and offer it, set up a
committee, a congressional committee to hear all the evidence, weigh all the
facts -- then it's a put up or shut up proposition.'
"UU: Why haven't the
aliens just simply infiltrated in relation to these government deals.
"CS: The U.S. government
may believe that there's no defense and that they are highly evolved and
technologically superior to us. There are those of us, however, that firmly
believe -- or should I say know -- that there are defenses against these
folks. In unity there is strength. That strength is derived from knowledge.
The knowledge that must be had is the knowledge of the truth. With the truth
we can go ahead and combat these entities..."
